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Discussion in 'Calls: Duck, Goose, Turkey, Predator' started by GOFISH, Sep 20, 2005.

  1. GOFISH

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    <P style="MARGIN: 0px">I see a lot of posts about this call or that call.What should I buy? What about this one? etc. I would like to offer some thoughts about this subject. Now some people will ask, Who is this guy to be telling me? Back in the early 90's I called in the Ohio State championships and finished 3rd twice, and runner up to a young Fred Zink . I gave a few seminars and etc., but job and family did not allow the time to pursue any further. I really only got into it to become a better caller. Anyway back to the subject. Back in the 50's and 60's the major call manufacturer's were Olt, Faulk, Mallardtone,Kumduck,&amp;Herters. Most calls of that period were poor quality and poorly tuned. Hunters had to sort through them to find one with reasonable sound, and after finding one it seldom worked for very long.</P> <P style="MARGIN: 0px">Most of the men who founded the call companies of that era are dead and their companies have passed into others hands or gone. Though some companies still exist, the quality of there calls is little improved or worse.</P> <P style="MARGIN: 0px">Regrettably far to many waterfowl calls on the market are junk.. simply junk. Mass merchandisers push out high volumes of hastily assembled inferior calls at cheap prices. In life, you normally get what you pay for. That is especially true in waterfowl calls.</P> <P style="MARGIN: 0px">The neophyte hunter, who buy these "bargin" calls may believe there is something wrong with his ability, that he&nbsp; can't make good tones. The problem is not in his ability. The problem is he wasted his money on the wrong call. Dissatisfied, he may buy another call and try again. However, without guidance and investing sufficient money, the chance of finding a good one is low.</P> <P style="MARGIN: 0px">The typical hunter invests $500.00 in his shotgun. $20,000 in his truck, $1000 in decoys, $500 in clothes, $15 in a box of shells and $10 on his call. If he invested more interest and money in buying his call, his hunting pleasure would double and success triple.</P> <P style="MARGIN: 0px">There is absolutely no doubt in my mind that the hunter who learns to call with moderate proficiency will consistently bag twice as many ducks and geese as the hunter who does'nt call. And his success and enjoyment will continue to increase in proportion to his calling ability.</P> <P style="MARGIN: 0px">Through research and development from calling competitions, call technology has made tremendous advancements in recent years. High quality calls are available. However few quality calls are offered by big call manufactures. High volume/junk call cheap price.</P> <P style="MARGIN: 0px">&nbsp;</P> <P style="MARGIN: 0px">Olt a-50 $9.95&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Your favorite guy here&nbsp; $60</P> <P style="MARGIN: 0px">marginal quality&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; High quality</P> <P style="MARGIN: 0px">frustration&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; perfectly tuned</P> <P style="MARGIN: 0px">The best call makers today are relatively new companies and their founders are very intent upon providing quality products. Most of the highest quality call makers are one man operations ( Grounds, Zink, Powers , Mann etc.)</P> <P style="MARGIN: 0px">Todays superb calls are not an invention by a single call maker. Rather a culmination of improvements and contributions by many different call makers. Most famous&nbsp; goose calls are OLTS. Phil Olt is to goose calls as Henry Ford is to Automobiles. Time passes and just as a Model A &amp; Model T can't be regarded as todays great automobiles. Olt calls aren't among todays great goose calls.</P> <P style="MARGIN: 0px">Goose calls are changing and their developments advancing rapidly. In the last decade several New goose calls were developed and some have improved of the last couple of years. Today hunters have several excellent choices in calls and "sounds".</P> <P style="MARGIN: 0px">&nbsp;Which is best?&nbsp; If you are blowing one and it is working continue to use it. If it is not working or the birds are wary, you should consider changing. Goose calls are like Bass fishing lures. It is best to have more than one. The best hunters and Guides become proficient with more than one type of&nbsp; call.</P> <P style="MARGIN: 0px">"whatever everyone else is using, I use something different,what ever is popular is what I don't use".</P> <P style="MARGIN: 0px">Geese get shy, when they see the same decoys and hear the same style calling repeatedly.</P> <P style="MARGIN: 0px">If you are calling with a different sound and presenting more life like decoys than other hunters, you will be bagging geese when others are not.</P> <P style="MARGIN: 0px">&nbsp;</P> <P style="MARGIN: 0px">Good luck and PRACTICE.</P>
     
  2. HonkerBonker

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    Excellent post, however I must disagree with you on a couple of points.&nbsp; Although Olts, Faulks, Lohman, etc. can't match up to today's calls, they are like Model A's and Model T's in that they are highly collectable.&nbsp; And although many of today's mass produced calls are inferiour in tone and quality, there are plenty of good low priced calls on the market for both duck and goose.&nbsp; Mick Lacy's Long Honker flute goose call is probably responsible for the demise of more geese than any other goose call made, priced at under $30.&nbsp; There is the Primos Wench and Haydel's DR-85 which fall into the $20-30 range.&nbsp; There are many more that are capable of&nbsp; bringing in ducks and geese into close shooting range when used by competent callers.<br> All this being said, those hunters who spend the time practicing will certainly enjoy the overall experience much more.&nbsp; The high end call makers are also approaching the lower cost market with poly carbonate versions of their acrylic calls.&nbsp; Look at Zink's PC-1, PM-1 and the soon to be released Power Hen, Sean Mann's Express versions of the Eastern Shoreman and Eastern Shorty, Foiles' Meat Grinder, Grounds' Half Breed, etc.&nbsp; There are exceptional callers using these calls in the field and on the stage&nbsp; The&nbsp; budget minded hunter has lots of good choices.&nbsp; Unfortunately for me, I have a high affinity for the acrylics!<br> <br>
     

  3. GOFISH

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    <P style="MARGIN: 0px">You are correct. Thats why I tried not to promote or knock anybodies call. I finished 3rd in the state with Micks call. There are good buys out there,and some of my information is outdated. I was looking to encourage&nbsp;people to do some research and ask for guidance. Most guys are afraid to ask for help .Back when Fred Zink promoted Tim Grounds call I asked him for help on the half breed. I called&nbsp;over the phone with Sean Mann and Mick Lacy, when I was trying to learn their calls and produce different sounds. Like I said, learn to become moderately proficient with whatever makes you happy and learn how to blow more than one" sound". I blow many calls, to try to not sound like everyone else. I would say probably the most deadly call I have ever used is a tube and diaphragm. Also the most difficult call to learn. The problem is its not loud and its sound doesn't carry well in the wind. However geese like it!</P> <P style="MARGIN: 0px">I have seen geese literally spin in mid air to come back to a Tube call. The fact that so few hunters use it makes it deadly on call shy birds.</P> <P style="MARGIN: 0px">Stu</P>
     
  4. HonkerBonker

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    I actually used a Quaker Boy turkey tube call since it has a sloped mouthpiece versus the flat end that the Knight &amp; Hale has.&nbsp; I could change the sound of the call by using the different thicknesses of latex.&nbsp; Very good sounds on the windless days or over the small farm ponds.<br> Since I am a "Call Ho", I am constantly looking to add calls to my collection.&nbsp; Pretty much duck (over 200) and goose (almost 200) but I am also starting to get more turkey calls.&nbsp; The evolution of waterfowl calls has been amazing.<br>
     
  5. sbe023

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    <P>i still like to use any one of my 6 factory refurbished faulks calls from the late 60's era. you didn't mention echo calls?? or rnt??</P>
     
  6. HonkerBonker

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    They are working out the kinks right now.&nbsp; Being a perfectionist, Fred won't put anything out that doesn't meet his standards.&nbsp; I am sure that when they become available, someone will post up immediately.<br>
     
  7. Mightyduck

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    "Most calls of that period were poor quality and poorly tuned. Hunters had to sort through them to find one with reasonable sound, and after finding one it seldom worked for very long".&nbsp; I sorted through the old Olts and found a dandee, I bought mine in 1977 or 1978 in Litte Rock Arkansas, still brings in the ducks today. I found another good tone call last week made by True Tone made of cocabolo wood that is quite good also. When you find the one that you like keep in clean and well maintained, and practice as much as possible. When you put meat in the freezer === your there <img src="http://www.websitetoolbox.com/images/boards/smilies/comp.gif" align="middle" border="0"><br>
     
  8. icalldux

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    <P>Gofish... While I will agree on some of the things you say I won't go as far as you in calling peoples product JUNK!</P> <P style="MARGIN: 0px">I think that there are allot of calls out there that don't sound as good as others but that does not make them junk. Most of the time it is the operator and there are a few that make it out of the shop that don't measure up.</P> <P style="MARGIN: 0px">&nbsp;</P> <P style="MARGIN: 0px">I think you need to try some calls out to see what fits best. You know as well as I do that if the call doesn't fit you you have a choice, send it to be fixed or sell it. There are some great calls out there and I think people should get out hit some shows, catch a pro staffer at a store or call the shop and ask if they can help you out.</P> <P style="MARGIN: 0px">Kelley Powers doesn't make calls, he has a signature goose call that R-N-T makes but he blows a Grounds.</P> <P style="MARGIN: 0px">&nbsp;</P> <P style="MARGIN: 0px">OK now here is my $.02... If you are looking for a great call at a great price please look at any of the Buck Gardner calls. $20 for a poly goose call that is awesome and the poly double nasty is great for ducks.</P> <P style="MARGIN: 0px">&nbsp;</P> <P style="MARGIN: 0px">Happy hunting and please take the little ones out to enjoy our great outdoors.</P>
     
  9. GOFISH

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    <P style="MARGIN: 0px">I think you guys have jumped the gun. I&nbsp;was saying&nbsp;that the calls of the early 50's and 60's were horrible and while they are indeed collectors items, generally they were mass produced junk,and even today if you buy a call for&nbsp;$9.95 you are most likely getting junk.&nbsp;I was trying to help out anyone who was looking to buy a call to shop around, and not be afraid to ask people for help. If you read my reply to Honkerbonker You would see, that I stated there were some good calls out there that were inexpensive. I'm sorry if you take exception to me not mentioning your favorite call or the brand you promote etc. That was not what the post was supposed to be about. I was trying to provide some historical data and the fact that the call makers have made tremendous strides in recent years. The majority of which were implemented because of competitions and callers trying to improve upon what was out there. Those individuals listed made far more contributions than any one manufacture.</P> <P style="MARGIN: 0px">&nbsp;</P>