Remington Buttstock Wrench

Discussion in 'Shotguns, Shotgunning, Ballistics & "Shooter's Tal' started by SouthernOhioBoy, Aug 31, 2005.

  1. SouthernOhioBoy

    SouthernOhioBoy New Member

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    <P>Anyone have a Remington Buttstock Wrench for a 1187?</P>
     
  2. copper

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    <P>Does yours come loose too? Seems like a couple/three times a season I have to take the butt padd off to tighten the stock. Anybody got an idea on how to cure this? </P>
     

  3. DeWayne

    DeWayne Active Member Lifetime Supporter

    <P>S.O.B. Looks like from your avatar you hunt with a Benelli.&nbsp; Why do you need a Remington wrench? <IMG src="http://www.websitetoolbox.com/images/boards/smilies/biggrin.gif" align=absMiddle border=0>&nbsp; Seriously, a large screwdriver or my favorite, a tire iron works well.&nbsp; The tire iron from my Ford fits the slot perfectly and the bend gives great leverage.</P>
     
  4. zvilleduks

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    <P>More importantly use some stout lock tite (RED). These should never move, and besides most people never remove the buttstock for cleaning purposes.</P>
     
  5. Ducksmasher

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    <P>LOCK TITE , it will never come loose again, even if you want it to <IMG src="http://www.websitetoolbox.com/images/boards/smilies/frown.gif" align=absMiddle border=0></P>
     
  6. SouthernOhioBoy

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    <P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">Don't have a problem with it coming loose....I can't get it&nbsp;loose at all!!!! Setting up another&nbsp;1187&nbsp;with a Mote Carlo stock and rifled barrel for deer season. </SPAN></P><P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">&nbsp;</SPAN></P><P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">&nbsp;</P><P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">&nbsp;</SPAN></P><P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">I'll try the iron. Grind it a bit if it's too wide.</SPAN></P><P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">&nbsp;</SPAN></P><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA">Thanks for the info/help Dewayne.... seriously!</SPAN><br>&nbsp;<br>&nbsp;<br>
     
  7. tripleb

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    <P>I wouldn't recommend red Loctite for the nut. If your action spring ever rusts up, and they all do to one extent or another, you will need to remove the buttstock to clean or remove it.&nbsp; If you want to use Loctite, use the blue stuff.&nbsp; If necessary, you can pour boiling water in the stock hole to loosen it.</P>
     
  8. TwoLabs

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    <P>Careful with loctite on the gun...Red is non-removeable(with the exceptions of heat) and Blue is removeable(Only if you want to put it on your gun)&nbsp; Good advice though.</P>
     
  9. TwoLabs

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    <P style="MARGIN: 0px">SOB-</P> <P style="MARGIN: 0px">&nbsp;</P> <P style="MARGIN: 0px">I'll check if I can find mine and pm you!</P>
     
  10. seaark18

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    <P>Mine comes loose to for some reason, wooden stocked 11-87 Super Mag S.P.&nbsp; Its the only gun that I've ever owned that does that.</P>
     
  11. seaark18

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    <P>I keep having to re-tighten it, and I'm getting frustrated to the point that I'm about to sell the damn thing.&nbsp; Is lock-tite the way to go?&nbsp; I was also thinking about welding a nut onto the end so I could try tightening it down with a ratchet instead of a big screwdriver.&nbsp; Any suggestions would be appreciated....</P>
     
  12. tripleb

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    My suspicion is that your buttstock is not coming loose from the nut backing off.&nbsp; The wood in the stock is probably compressing, either where it fits into the receiver, or where the washer tightens down in the buttstock.&nbsp; I would remove the stock, clean any crud that may have built up around the action mortise, and first try some teflon pipe thread tape around the bolt threads.&nbsp; If that doesn't work, the blue Loctite may work, but I suspect that your stock loosening up is probably related to it not being bedded properly at the back of the receiver.&nbsp; It's probably floating a little on one side or another and that permits a bit of a wobble which can compress the wood over time.&nbsp; If it were mine, I would carefully fiberglass bed the stock into the action, using the proper release agents on the action and action spring tube.<br><br>I wouldn't advise you doing it yourself, but you may talk to a gunsmith about it, if the teflon pipe thread tape doesn't cure the problem.&nbsp; If you don't do it correctly, you may permanently attach the stock to the receiver and that's a problem if you ever have to remove the action spring, or it's tube.<br><br>
     
  13. IMissed

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    Is there any reason to not use the Loctite , in <span style="background-color: rgb(51, 102, 255); color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">blue </span>? <span style="background-color: rgb(51, 102, 255); color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">Blue</span> does what you want keep that- thar boltstuck. However, you can undo it too! <br> <br> Therefore, I am another vote for Loctite in <span style="background-color: rgb(51, 102, 255); color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">blue</span><br> <br>
     
  14. tripleb

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    Probably the only reason not to use it is that it may not cure the problem. If the problem is the nut unscrewing, the blue locktite should fix that. But, if the stock is wood, the nut is probably not unscrewing, the wood is probably compressing underneath it. It is likely expanding and contracting with changes in humidity during the year ...... high humidity during the summer causes the wood to expand against the metal, compressing the fibers. Low humidity during the winter when the furnace is running, causes the wood to shrink, loosening the stock, because the compressed fibers don't reexpand. If you have a loose stock, the recoil from shooting can further compress the wood and loosen the stock further.<br><br>I have "hardened" soft wood to decrease the compression by a thorough degreasing of the wood, then flooding the area in question with liquid "super glue", not the gel. You often have to run a clearance drill in, though, afterward to clean out any excess glue and to permit reinsertion of the metal parts (action spring tube and locking bolt). However, if the wood has soaked up a lot of oil, it may be impossible to degrease it sufficiently for the glue to soak in. You might even have to drill out and sleeve the wood part the nut tightens on, so that it can't compress any more. Sort of like pillar bedding a rifle stock.<br><br>
     
  15. DeWayne

    DeWayne Active Member Lifetime Supporter

    <P>On 1100s and 11-87s there is a stock bearing plate&nbsp;between the receiver and the stock which needs to be there.&nbsp; On the action spring tube, there should be an action spring tube&nbsp;nut washer against the stock, an action spring tube&nbsp;lock washer, then the action spring tube nut.&nbsp; If anything is missing, it will never stay tight.</P>
     
  16. seaark18

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    <P>Thanks for the input guys.&nbsp; The gun has done it since it was brand new, I have to tighten it several times per year, and usually once or twice during season when I'm feeding it a steady diet of 3.5's.&nbsp; The bearing plate is there between the stock and receiver, and I know there is at least one washer between the nut and the stock, but I'll have to take it apart again to make sure that there is a regular washer and a lock washer.&nbsp; Last year I bought a synthetic factory Remington stock for it to see if that would solve the problem, but that came loose as well.&nbsp; The original walnut stock is back on it now.&nbsp; Any chance that the action spring tube is rotating slightly when I tighten down the nut, therefore not allowing it to go on tight enough?&nbsp; I'm not sure how that tube is attached to the receiver....</P>
     
  17. tripleb

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    I suppose there's a possibility that the tube is loosening, but they're usually on pretty tight.<br><br>Why not try this experiment to see if the problem is the nut loosening.&nbsp; Take the buttstock off, to make certain everything is where it's supposed to be and that the action spring tube in on tight.<br><br>Take a tri cornered file and file a small notch on the top surface, which you can see with a light shined down on it when it's in the stock.&nbsp; Replace the stock, tighten the nut and shine a light down and see where the notch is positioned relative to a line between the two recoil pad screws.&nbsp; Shoot it until you notice it has loosened, then remove the recoil pad and shine a light down to see if the notch in the nut has rotated any.&nbsp; If it hasn't, the problem is likely compression of the stock material.&nbsp; If the problem is the nut loosening, locktite should fix it.<br><br>Or, you could simply apply some blue locktite when retightening the nut, and if it loosens again, you will know for certain it's not the nut loosening that's causing the problem.<br><br>
     
  18. seaark18

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    <P>As usual, thanks for the input TripleB!!&nbsp; I'll try that this weekend and let you know how it works.</P>
     
  19. tripleb

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    It will usually take about 24 hours, perhaps a bit less, for the locktite to set up.&nbsp; So, if you put locktite on it, allow enough time for that to do it's job before shooting the gun.<br>
     
  20. seaark18

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    I tried the blue locktite approach about a week ago.... Shot 5 boxes thru the gun last night at some clays, and the stock is still rock-solid tight!&nbsp; Hopefully it stays that way.&nbsp; The last few times I've tightened it without the locktite, it came loose after a box or two.&nbsp; As long as it doesn't come loose on me again, I'm gonna get it patterning well with 3" HeviSteel for next year.&nbsp; No more 3.5", I don't want it coming loose again!&nbsp; Thanks for all the input guys!<br>