[madgoosr]

Anyone have one? Like it, don't like it? My buddy has been looking at them. I haven't heard much about them. He is also looking at the Charles Daly 3.5" auto. Has anyone heard anything about it? Thanks.

 

[Darryl]

I dont have one,will soon though. I got my hands on one for some field testing about two weeks ago.

we ran 10 boxes of 3 and 3.5 shells all federals and winchesters all where loaded with 1 5/8 size 1 and 2 steel shot and 5's and 6's lead shot. Also ran some 2 3/4 remington STS target loads, and Winchester High Velocity loads.

The gun comes apart easy and the finish is very good. The bore finish is great Id rate it a 8 on a ten scale. The gun comes with a TON of anti rust greese out of box.....this stuff must be cleaned off or it will jam right away.

The gun comes to shoulder very well, almost un-mossberg like. It balances well, and points great. Recoil was amazing.......i couldnt tell the differance between it and my citori even with another 3/4" of shell in there.

We had one jam but it was caused by a shell that had been dropped in the mud and me seeing how quick i could rip through the magazine without jam.

Like the 835 the 935 has the oversized bore and it patterned both the steel and lead loads very very well.

This gun is made to shoot the long shells and the only 2 3/4 shells we could get it too cycle everytime where the winchester High V shells, but hey it would cycle them everytime, which to me is an added bonus.

Only time will tell how long the guns hold up. It is no Upland gun thats for shure, but it wasnt ment to be, I have plenty of upland guns and was looking for a turkey/duck gun. I found it and as soon as my local shop gets the camo pattern I want in, I will be takeing it off there hands.<img src="/images/boards/smilies/wave.gif" border="0" align="absmiddle"><img src="/images/boards/smilies/thumb.gif" border="0" align="absmiddle">

 

[papawoody]

Madgoosr

I have the 935,got it as a gift last year.I've had nothing but bad luck with it.The first box went through great but after that it seemed to jam every 2 outta 3 shots.Sometimes the shell would'nt eject completely.Other times the action woulnd'nt close all the away.

Last year was extremly frustating.I never knew when it was going to screw up.I'd miss on the first shot.the ducks would seem to be hovering above the spread,then CLICK.....nothing.I'd pull the bolt back to cycle the next shell...PLOP,there goes a live shell into the water.I'd pull up to try to get a shot if they were still in range.CLICK...The third shell never cycled.

If it was'nt so frustating it would've been funny.I know one guy that had the same problem.He sent his back and hav'nt had a problem ever since.I sent mine back at the end of the season,But hav'nt tried it since.After getting it back I called mossburg to find out what the problem was.If its something silly then I'll just fix it myself,But they said the didn't have the info.I'm not sure what that means.

Don't let my rambling discourage you from buying one.I thought I'd just let you know what my experience was.Even though I had problems with it I still took it out every time I went.I love the way it shoulders and swings.

I never put 2 3/4 shells through it.I don't believe your supposed to.Its stamped on the barrel 3 inch 3 1/2

 

[Darryl]

First off there is no way due to Liability issues that mossberg is gonna give you an idea what is wrong...especially if you tell them your gonna try and fix it yourself.

Secondly, as you prob. know any gun that will shoot 3, 3 1/2 is also safe to have 2 3/4 shells chambered in it. The reason Mossberg dosnt list that shell on the barrel is because it is DESIGNED to shoot the big stuff......but in the name of field testing i decided to see if it would feed any of them.

The early models...pre last season. hat some problems with the shelf the bolt rides on not getting far enough back to reset the hammer.

This problem has been fixed from what i been told.
(several gunsmiths)

 

[papawoody]

Sorry Darryl

Didn't mean to ruffle any feathers.


MY BAD<img src="/images/boards/smilies/wink.gif" border="0" align="absmiddle">

 

[Darryl]

Oh no bud none ruffled what so-ever...sometimes ya meet guys that just dont know the chamber thing...thats why we ask right. I was just trying to give ya an idea of why mossberg hadled it that way

good day to ya sir
Aaron<img src="/images/boards/smilies/thumb.gif" border="0" align="absmiddle">

 

[papawoody]

<P>And to you<IMG src="http://www.websitetoolbox.com/images/boards/smilies/thumb.gif" align=absMiddle border=0></P>

 

[tripleb]

Another 3.5" semi auto that deserves a look, if you haven't already committed yourself to one,&nbsp;is the Baikal MP153.&nbsp; It's about to be picked up by Remington and sold under their "Ranger" line along with several other Baikal shotguns.&nbsp; It feeds and ejects all shell lengths after a proper breakin.&nbsp; It has a ring that must be tightened up to two turns if you want to shoot the lighter ( 1 1/8 oz.) loads and loosened up to two turns if you want to shoot the heavy lead turkey loads.&nbsp; As adjusted from the factory, it will cycle 1 1/4 oz. lead up to 3.5" steel shot loads.<br> <br> It fit is very much like the Rem. 11/87 and weighs slightly over 8 lbs. in the 28" barreled version. It is also considered to be one of the most reliable 3.5" semi autos on the market, with very few users reporting problems.&nbsp; I think over the last year, I have only seen 3 problems reported on both WF.com and The Refuge, and they were quickly and easily rectified.<br> <br> The only downside is that it uses Truchoke threads, which means you will have to order any aftermarket chokes needed, as most retailers won't carry them in stock.&nbsp; But, Briley, Wad Wizard, Trulock, Hastings, Terror, Carlson, Colonial and others make and sell them.&nbsp; It has a standard .729" 12ga. bore.<br> <br> A dealer, Floyd Snider,&nbsp;in Lima has one in a 26" barrel with wood stock for $325, plus tax, for the&nbsp;gun and three chokes.&nbsp; When the Remington versions go on sale, you can expect a price jump as Remington has to get it's cut.<br>

 

[tripleb]

<P>This is a pic. of the Baikal MP 153, for those who have not seen one before.&nbsp; The fiber optic front sight, sling swivels and sling were added after the purchase.&nbsp;</P>

 

[madgoosr]

<P>The MP153 is what I shoot. I really like it. It is no Benelli but for the price can't beat it.</P>

 

[CODB]

<P>Talk to Capt Culver about 935's. He had a bolt snap in half after shooting a shell this past season. Luckily nobody was hurt. I wouldnt use one for a boat paddle if I was up a smelly creek without a paddle. Just my opinion tho.</P>

 

[tripleb]

<P>I've had my MP 153&nbsp;out that last two evenings, shooting starlings and grackles for the pup to retrieve.&nbsp; I'm using a handload of 1 1/8 oz. of lead shot with 29 grains of Win. Superfield, which chrono's between 1340 and 1360 fps. in a Win. AA case.&nbsp; With the ring screwed in two turns it kicks the empties about 8 ft.&nbsp; I did not clean the packing grease out, as I should have, because I wanted to see what kind of loads would be required to make it function before cleaned and broken in properly.</P> So far, it has gone through about 2 boxes of shells without a hiccup.&nbsp; That's one of the reasons I did not get a 935.&nbsp; The barrel of the 935 is not printed with 2 3/4" shells because it is not supposed to function&nbsp;reliably with them.&nbsp; I suspect that the heavier 1 1/4 oz. and 1 1/8 oz.&nbsp;Superfield and Longshot loads would function through them, though.<br> <br> The pup thinks everytime the gun goes off, she will have a bird to retrieve, that I never miss.&nbsp; I will quickly disabuse her of such a notion when dove season comes in in September.<IMG src="http://www.websitetoolbox.com/images/boards/smilies/biggrin.gif" align=absMiddle border=0><br>

 

[Darryl]

All depends on the LUP like i said I got some 2 3/4's to cycle and some not.

 

[tripleb]

Darryl:<br> <br> I have usually found the slower burning powders, such as Winchester Superfield and Hodgdon Longshot, will get the balky autoloaders to function with 1 1/8 oz. loads.&nbsp; The Superfield loads seem to require the load velocities to be up around 1360 fps, which is a 3 3/4 dram equiv. load with 1 1/8 oz. of shot.&nbsp; The Longshot loads eject even more vigorously, but they're also running 1410 - 1500 fps., with 1 1/8 oz. loads.<br> <br> Unfortunately, they both are handloading propositions.&nbsp; I would try the Longshot loads first, but stick with the loads using hotter primers such as Fed. 209A or CCI209M, with pressures in the 10,000 psi range or higher.&nbsp; I found using a low pressure load or a softer primer with Longshot promotes extreme velocity spreads, sometimes as much as 100 fps.&nbsp; The blue box Winchester primers perform poorly with these slower burning powders in my chronographing.&nbsp; They work fine with the usual faster burning target type powders, however.<br>

 

[madgoosr]

<P>tripleb- have you purchased an after market tube for yours? I am looking into it, but can't make up my mind on which one. I haven't heard much about which tubes pattern good and which don't.&nbsp;</P>

 

[tripleb]

madgoosr:<br> <br> I ordered a .675" Terror choke for mine, Tuesday.&nbsp; It should be in Friday, Monday or Tuesday, it's coming from Idaho,&nbsp;so the arrival date is subject to the schedule of the UPS drivers.&nbsp; I'll have to bum some Kent loads off Big Mexican this weekend so I can pattern it with some factory loads.&nbsp; I'll will also pattern it with my handloads, too.&nbsp; Hopefully, the wind will die down so I can do some&nbsp;patterning.&nbsp;After I do so, I'll take some pictures of the patterns and post them under a new thread so you can judge for yourself if it delivers the kind of patterns you want.<br> <br> Ned, over on The Refuge, has reported the extended improved modified choke to pattern well out of his MP 153.&nbsp; Since it has a bore similar to the Remington, that may very well be true, as I got good patterns using an improved modified when I had my 11-87.&nbsp; The patterns were not as good as I get with the .675" Terror, but good for shooting out to 40 yards, or so.&nbsp; The&nbsp;improved modified&nbsp;extended chokes are cheaper, too, being about $32, plus shipping, compared to the $75 for a Terror.<br>

 

[Capt_Culver]

Yep, I have one.&nbsp; I have had it for 1 1/2 years.&nbsp; The first time I took it out it was great.&nbsp; Lasted for about a month......&nbsp; The problems then started occuring.&nbsp; The gun will only put about 15 shells through it before it has to be cleaned again.&nbsp; The rails in the chamber get so caked up with burnt gun powder, the bolt will not close.&nbsp;&nbsp; It will eject the empty hull, pull one from the mag. and then the bolt only closes about half way.&nbsp; I now have to carry a can of rem oil and tear apart my gun while afield in order for it to work.&nbsp; I agree that cleaning a gun is necessary, but after 15 shells.... that's rediculious.&nbsp; <br> <br> On the river this past year, standing in the flooded timber, I had another problem with it.&nbsp; I had put about 6 shells through the gun that morning.&nbsp; On the seventh shot, the same thing happened.&nbsp; Empty ejected, new shell from mag. and the bolt got stuck half way open.&nbsp; I did like I usually do, give the bolt a little help getting closed.&nbsp; This time it wouldn't budge.&nbsp; So, I tried to pull back the bolt to eject the good load and figure out what was stuck in there.&nbsp; When I did that, the bolt fell apart. Half of it was in my hand and the other half stayed in the chamber.&nbsp; This was a cross section that broke from the front of the bolt.&nbsp; Like a slice of cheese from a block. SOLID STEEL.&nbsp; I took it back to Gander rather upset at the situtation.&nbsp; I had just taken vacation for a week and needed a gun to hunt with for another 10 days.&nbsp; They pulled a bolt from a new 935 and gave it to me.&nbsp; Gander then sent the broken bolt back to Mossberg and I have not heard anything from Mossberg in over 2 months.&nbsp; <br> <br> If I had it to do over again.......I wouldn't.<br>

 

[Capt_Culver]

<P>Oh, BTW....... It will&nbsp;NOT cycle 2 3/4 inch shells.&nbsp; I have heard people say they have got it to cycle with their own reloads.&nbsp; However, I have yet to find any factory loads that it will cycle.&nbsp; Just a heads up.&nbsp;</P>

 

[tripleb]

Capt. Culver:<br> <br> I haven't taken a 935 apart, but if their main action spring is like it was on the 9200, the problem with the action not closing properly could be caused by a couple of things relatively easy to fix.<br> <br> First, check the ID's of the spring on both ends.&nbsp; On the Moss. 9200, one end was very slightly smaller in ID than the other and was supposed to be placed with the tighter opening at the action end of the magazine tube.&nbsp; If the tight end of the spring was placed at the other end, it acted like the friction ring on a Browning A5, slowing down the opening and closing of the bolt.&nbsp; The second thing may be that the action spring has simply fatigued.&nbsp; It shouldn't happen so fast, but it does on occasion happen prematurely with coil springs.&nbsp; A new action spring may be all that is required.<br> <br> The powder accumulating in less than a box of shells being fired through it should not be enough by itself to cause the bolt closing portion of the cycling problems you are experiencing.&nbsp; There's got to be something wrong with your gun and it should be relatively easy to fix once&nbsp;the&nbsp;cause&nbsp;is determined.<br>

 

[Darryl]

"Oh, BTW....... It will*NOT cycle 2 3/4 inch shells.* I have heard people say they have got it to cycle with their own reloads.* However, I have yet to find any factory loads that it will cycle.* Just a heads up.*"

Then you havnt shot the right ones.....or i cant read the top of the box.