[Grizz109]

<P style="MARGIN: 0px">Does anyone know about the new Mossberg 930 autoloader?It's chambered for 3 inch shells I'm looking for a decent autoloader to use off and on through hunting season,and I've had nothing but bad luck with Remington thanks.</P>

 

[seaark18]

<P>Sorry to say, but I havn't had any experience with the new Mossberg, but I'm curious to know what kinds of problems you've had with your Remington.&nbsp; I've been&nbsp;using an 11-87 Super Mag for 3 seasons, and it's worked flawlessly.&nbsp; However, you're not the first person I've heard complain about Remington autoloaders.&nbsp; Are there certain things that are prone to break that I should keep an eye on?&nbsp; Thanks for the help.</P>

 

[tripleb]

<P>What I have read has commonly caused problems is the link between the bolt and the spring assembly in the butt stock.&nbsp; This has a reputation of bending or breaking in the 11-87 Supermag.&nbsp; And, of course, there's the rubber O ring which is on the magazine tube which needs replacement from time to time.</P>

 

[seaark18]

<P>Hey tripleb thanks for the info.&nbsp; Hey Grizz, have you looked at the new Stoeger 2000 auto?&nbsp; They seem like a heck of a gun for the money, especially because it uses the benelli recoil-operated system.&nbsp; I looked at one at Cabelas a few weeks back, and If i were looking for 3-inch 12ga, I would probably consider that one the best bang for the buck.&nbsp; You said you weren't happy with Remingtons, well over the years I've heard alot more negative about Mossberg than Remington, so i'm not sure that you'd be taking a step up with the 930- unless they've really improved their stuff.&nbsp; Just some food for thought.&nbsp; Also, Browning and Winchester have $100 rebates on the Gold and X2, both of which are excellent gas guns.</P>

 

[Grizz109]

<P>My 1187 super mag kept jamming up to the point I couldn't pull the bolt back,I sent it back to Remington twice they couldn't solve the problem and gave me a new gun and it wouldn't cycle shells most of the time,when it did work it was a great gun to hunt with but it wasn't worth the headaches.I also had problems with an 870 not cycling shells sent it back a couple of time's and sold it and bought a Mossberg 835 and have had zero problems with it and I've abused it pretty good out in the field.</P>

 

[FOWLTALK]

<P style="MARGIN: 0px">Grizz,</P> <P style="MARGIN: 0px">&nbsp;</P> <P style="MARGIN: 0px">i don't know about the Mossi 930, but i bought a new 935 a few months back &amp; had various problems. i would'nt do it again. The Stoeger 2000 was one of my options, but i wanted a 3 1/2" gun. For an inexpensive auto, the Stoeger</P> <P style="MARGIN: 0px">should have been the gun to buy. The guts are primarily Benelli and the gun</P> <P style="MARGIN: 0px">has good reports.The only bad things i heard was from the pimple faced kid</P> <P style="MARGIN: 0px">at Dicks, trying to put me in a Rem supermag.</P> <P style="MARGIN: 0px">&nbsp;</P> <P style="MARGIN: 0px">wheres my Browning !!!</P>

 

[Bowhunter57]

<P style="MARGIN: 0px">Grizz109,</P> <P style="MARGIN: 0px">I'm on the same side of the fence with you on the Remingtons and their problems. There won't be any more of my hard earned cash going to their company, any more. <IMG src="http://www.websitetoolbox.com/images/boards/smilies/tongue.gif" align=absMiddle border=0></P> <P style="MARGIN: 0px">&nbsp;</P> <P style="MARGIN: 0px">If it's an auto-loader that you're looking for and a 3 1/2" chamber is what you need, then take a look at the Russian Baikal MP-153. It has a chrome-lined bore, 24", 26" or 28" barrel lengths, an adjustable gas&nbsp;operating system, wood or synthetic stocks, vent rib and sells for $325 to $350. <IMG src="http://www.websitetoolbox.com/images/boards/smilies/thumb.gif" align=absMiddle border=0></P> <P style="MARGIN: 0px">&nbsp;</P> <P style="MARGIN: 0px">Remington recently purchased the distribution rights from this company, but they don't touch the quality control. They're sold under the divisional name of Remington called,&nbsp;Spartan Arms. So, the MP-153 is now called the SPR-453. However, there are still quite a few MP-153s still out there.</P> <P style="MARGIN: 0px">&nbsp;</P> <P style="MARGIN: 0px">tripleb and myself own one of the MP-153 auto-loaders and are very happy with our choices. I purchased a Terror choke in .675" restriction and can get a 91% pattern inside a 30" circle at 40 yards with 3 1/2" Kent Fast Steel 1 3/8 oz. BBB @ 1550 f.p.s. <img src="/images/boards/smilies/cool.gif" border="0" align="absmiddle"> I've shot geese at 55+ yards and they drop out stone dead with holes in their backs from complete penetration.</P> <P style="MARGIN: 0px">&nbsp;</P> <P style="MARGIN: 0px">I've had <STRONG>NO</STRONG> problems with my MP-153 and would purchase another one, if I had the same chance again. There's a dealer in Lima and one in Troy that sells the Baikal line of shotguns, but I'm sure that someone sells them in your area too.</P> <P style="MARGIN: 0px">&nbsp;</P> <P style="MARGIN: 0px">Good hunting, Bowhunter57</P>