Marks

Discussion in 'Sporting Dog Training' started by CODB, Jun 6, 2005.

  1. CODB

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    <P>My pup is almost 4 months and I can tell he needs work on marks. I have been working him in our mowed yard up til now. He sits and is steady to the retrieve release. Only problem is he needs work on marking. He easily misjudges the distance and then sees a butterfly persay fly bay and is more entertained with that. What should be done? He is also starting to get a little stubborn on basic commands such as come when we are just outside working and he is wandering around. I know he's still young but I am scared of falling behind if I am not behind already. What should be expected of him at this age. Thanks in advance.</P>
     
  2. tripleb

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    <P>My male was pretty well focused enough at 4 months to train a couple of minutes several times a day.&nbsp; My female, at 7 months, still gets distracted by a bird or a fat June bug flying by.&nbsp; Your pup is still a baby, so don't be concerned about him acting like one.&nbsp;&nbsp; After the pup gets his adult teeth, then you should expect him to concentrate better on his training.&nbsp; Keep any training short in time and fun for him, particularly in the&nbsp;Summer heat.&nbsp; He will progress at his own rate.</P>
     

  3. Orion

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    CODB,<br><br>Whoa, slow down a little.&nbsp; Let your pup be a pup for awhile.&nbsp; I HIGHLY recommend that you get a copy of the Sound Beginnings Retriever Training video.&nbsp; It is available from http://ybsmedia.com/.<br> <br> -Kevin<br> <b></b>
     
  4. PerfectStorm

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    <P style="MARGIN: 0px">"What should be expected of him at this age"</P> <P style="MARGIN: 0px">...that he will chase butterfies...he is a puppy...his attention span is 5 seconds</P> <P style="MARGIN: 0px">&nbsp;</P> <P style="MARGIN: 0px">"I don't want him to fall behind"</P> <P style="MARGIN: 0px">...behind what ? Let him develop at his own pace</P> <P style="MARGIN: 0px">&nbsp;</P> <P style="MARGIN: 0px">Adult teeth</P> <P style="MARGIN: 0px">...formal OB</P> <P style="MARGIN: 0px">...FF</P> <P style="MARGIN: 0px">...CC</P> <P style="MARGIN: 0px">&nbsp;</P> <P style="MARGIN: 0px">10 Minute Retriever - John &amp; Amy Dahl</P> <P style="MARGIN: 0px">Smart Fetch - Evan Graham</P> <P style="MARGIN: 0px">&nbsp;</P> <P style="MARGIN: 0px">Have fun</P>
     
  5. CODB

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    Don't get me wrong guys I'm not slave driving him. I work with him about 10 minutes or so everyday with a bumper and if he doesn't want to play the first throw I just wait for another day. I just wasn't sure if this was to be expected or if I was doing something wrong. I'm concerned bc the last dog I had grew gunshy due to my inability of training. So far Rebel, my pup, is doing good around No. 11 primers through a muzzleloader. Thanks for the help there will be more of these questions to come.
     
  6. tripleb

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    <P>For a 4 month old pup, even 10 minutes will seem like a long time.&nbsp; A friend gave me the advice in determining how much time to train, to watch his tail.&nbsp; If the&nbsp;pup starts carrying it lower, his interest is flagging and it's probably time to stop.&nbsp;That can be after just a&nbsp;couple of&nbsp;minutes, particularly with a pup and with training in the Summer heat.</P>
     
  7. CMDUX

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    <P style="MARGIN: 0px">Slap an e-collar on him, crank that bad boy up to 5 and the second he looks away from his mark......... light him up!<IMG src="http://www.websitetoolbox.com/images/boards/smilies/eek.gif" align=absMiddle border=0></P> <P style="MARGIN: 0px">&nbsp;</P> <P style="MARGIN: 0px">Kidding!!!!! for that psycho out there always cracking on my sarcasm.<IMG src="http://www.websitetoolbox.com/images/boards/smilies/tongue.gif" align=absMiddle border=0></P> <P style="MARGIN: 0px">&nbsp;</P> <P style="MARGIN: 0px">&nbsp;</P> <P style="MARGIN: 0px">Dude!&nbsp; Relax man!&nbsp; Is this your first dog?&nbsp; I don't think I caught that in a previous post.&nbsp; At this point he will fetch what he wants to when he wants to and return it most of the way back, if he wants to.</P> <P style="MARGIN: 0px">&nbsp;</P> <P style="MARGIN: 0px">All the other guys are right on the money.&nbsp; Relax, enjoy him.&nbsp; Take him for walks and swims in new and exciting places.&nbsp; Take him to the park and use him to pick up chicks, whatever!</P> <P style="MARGIN: 0px">&nbsp;</P> <P style="MARGIN: 0px">Ask around and find an obedience school/class to take him to when he's close to 6 months or just a little after.&nbsp; </P> <P style="MARGIN: 0px">&nbsp;</P> <P style="MARGIN: 0px">This dog is not going to be "my last dog" or "my old man's dog" or even "my buddy's dog" in time for this coming season.&nbsp; You will ruin this dog if you try to push, pull and wrestle him through&nbsp;HIS training at YOUR pace.&nbsp; Take that to the bank borther.&nbsp;</P>
     
  8. CODB

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    Where did you guys get the idea that I'm forcing him in my training. No this is not my first dog. It is my second dog but the last one as I said before was just a lap dog because of gunshyness. I do enjoy him as a puppy. How can you not enjoy a little puppy. I understand that training a dog is similar to patterning a gun in that you have each dog and each gun will progress or pattern different. I was just wondering what an average would be.
     
  9. Trainer

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    <P>As I have offered to everyone that is a member of this forum, you are welcome to personally contact me by phone or email for help.&nbsp; If I can be of any help by posting something, I will.&nbsp; If you feel the need for additional info you do not feel comfortable with on the forum, I make myself persoanlly available.&nbsp; Jim</P>
     
  10. tripleb

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    <P style="MARGIN: 0px">CODB:</P> <P style="MARGIN: 0px">&nbsp;</P> <P style="MARGIN: 0px">I am in a position similar to yours.&nbsp; The pup in my avatar is my second retriever.&nbsp; Her uncle, whose pic appears in my avatar on the Refuge, was my first.&nbsp; I have been fortunate to have had the benefit of the experience of the breeder of both dogs and of watching the sire of my male being trained from the time the sire was 4 months old.</P> <P style="MARGIN: 0px">&nbsp;</P> <P style="MARGIN: 0px">My male retrieved his first game when he was 10 weeks old (two rabbits).&nbsp; He tracked down and retrieved his first pheasant the day he was 3 months old and before he was 4 months old he retrieved 14 crows as I shot them, on different crow hunts.&nbsp; He was handling at 5 months, and doing multiple blinds by the time he was 8 months old.</P> <P style="MARGIN: 0px">&nbsp;</P> <P style="MARGIN: 0px">When I got my female, it quickly became apparent that she was a smart pup and learned quickly.&nbsp; But she didn't display the strength of interest in retrieving I had seen in my male.&nbsp; I shot a few black birds for her and that really turned her on--to retrieving birds.&nbsp; She still was only interested in retrieving dummies if there was nothing better to run after, and would become bored quickly.&nbsp; I was wondering if I had made a mistake in getting a female, or if she would ever catch on to what I needed her to do for me.&nbsp; Eventually, I decided, "What the heck, she will either make a retriever or not.&nbsp; I&nbsp;will just let her develop at her own pace and not worry about it."</P> <P style="MARGIN: 0px">&nbsp;</P> <P style="MARGIN: 0px">She's a little over 7 months old now and it's really only been within the last 1 1/2 to 2 months that she has really started to display a strong drive to retrieve for me, but&nbsp;I can see it getting stronger&nbsp;almost daily.</P> <P style="MARGIN: 0px">&nbsp;</P> <P style="MARGIN: 0px">The breeder&nbsp;from whom I got her once had a female who, as a pup,&nbsp;was lackluster in the drive department, some times&nbsp;she would perform, most times she would not.&nbsp; He was just about, at the age of 1 year, to give her away to someone as a pet, when&nbsp;it seemed a light went on for her and she became a retrieving machine.&nbsp; The best that he ever had.</P> <P style="MARGIN: 0px">&nbsp;</P> <P style="MARGIN: 0px">The point that I am trying to make is don't worry about where&nbsp;your pup fits in terms of what the "average" may be.&nbsp; That will change all the time, and worrying about it will just make you inclined to become frustrated on those bad&nbsp;training days you will have, wondering whether you have a winner or a dud.&nbsp; Dogs have bad days too.&nbsp;&nbsp;On a dreary, rainy day,&nbsp;mine want to lay around and not go to work with me, like they usually do.&nbsp; Heck. on a dreary, rainy day,&nbsp;I don't want to go to work either.</P> <P style="MARGIN: 0px">&nbsp;</P> <P style="MARGIN: 0px">Your pup will develop into a fine hunting dog.&nbsp; Just&nbsp;give him time.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</P>