Looking for a call, what's your opinion?

Discussion in 'Calls: Duck, Goose, Turkey, Predator' started by the_lone_wader, Mar 9, 2011.

  1. the_lone_wader

    the_lone_wader Active Member

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    Im looking for a good all around goose call. I live in the worst part of the state to be a waterfowler so there isnt anywhere down here that I can go and "test out" calls unless my buddies happen to have them. Ive been looking at the Zink LM-1 and the Grounds real thang, but have never tried either. My main concern is that they might be too high pitched fr some of thebigger geese that we get. <br><br>What is your opinion. If you were only going to buy one call, what call would it be?<br>
     
  2. tripleb

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    In watching the reaction of geese to my calls over the last 10-12 years, I've come to the conclusion that high pitched calls, blown with rapid notes tend to be more attractive to geese than low pitched calls, at least in getting their attention.&nbsp; If you want a call to sound "goosey" to you, get a longer, lower pitched call.&nbsp; If you want to get the attention of geese, get a higher pitched call.<br><br>I've had a Grounds Guides Best flute, Grounds Half Breed, Grounds Polycarb Supermag, Zink SR-1, Zink PC-1, Winglock Delrin Longneck and the only call of those mentioned which could turn geese effectively was the Guides Best Flute, tuned high and blown fast.&nbsp; To be frank, I didn't use the Half Breed enough to get enough information to form a firm opinion on it, though.<br><br>Several years ago, I talked to Mike Stelzner, of C&amp;S Custom Calls about one of his Prophet model calls.&nbsp; It's about the same size as a Supermag, but much easier to blow.&nbsp; It can be adjusted to be low pitched or high pitched.&nbsp; And, I had him tune it very easy to blow, since I had some air capacity issues.&nbsp; That's the way he set it up and I could run it fairly fast, yet it had a tonal range good enough that I could get 6 different pitches of clucks on it.&nbsp; Mike is very helpful in trying to set a call up for you, if you let him know of any particular issues you have.&nbsp; The best way to reach him is by email.&nbsp; I have three of the Prophet models, in hedge, Hawaiian curly Koa and in Bocote.&nbsp; Since my air capacity increased from practicing, recently I changed the call guts over to Edge guts using the wide end of the E4 reed.&nbsp; That gut change made the calls a bit harder to blow, since they require more air volume to run the Edge guts, but the calls are louder and still have a very wide tonal range.<br><br>C &amp; S Custom Calls Bocote Prophet<br>[​IMG]<br>C &amp; S Custom Calls Hawaiian Koa Prophet<br>[​IMG]<br><br>As my air capacity increased, I went with his Disciple models.&nbsp; They are a bit trickier to run, as they are shorter calls, requiring more control over your hands in the call operation.&nbsp; They're less forgiving in that regard than the Prophet model.&nbsp; But, they are very fast, require little air to run, though it has to be "popped" into the call at a higher pressure and the geese love that call.<br><br>[​IMG]<br><br>[​IMG]<br><br><br>Recently, I ordered Mike's shortest call, the Apostle and I'll attach a link to the thread on it, posted on the main forum sometime back.&nbsp; The thread has some sound files of the call, the Apostle run by a very good caller, who goes by the name, calling4life, on the Refuge.<br><br>[​IMG]<br><br>http://bowtest.websitetoolbox.com/post?id=5117987<br><br>
     

  3. Metaluno67

    Metaluno67 Active Member

    <P>C&amp;S Disciple&nbsp;is what I like right now. For the price you cant go wrong. Very little air needed to run my call. I can get 19 clucks with one breath.</P>
     
  4. takem1

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    You're hired
     
  5. jeffk

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    <P>My opinion, a new Lynch Mob X-Factor, or the old reliable Goose Noose.</P>
     
  6. the_lone_wader

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    <P>Id like to stay away from the "tricky to run" calls. I dont have a ton of experience with goose calling or short reeds. I use a flute type now, and it sounds good. But I hate having that big cumbersome thing hanging around my neck all of the time. </P>
     
  7. crpntr54

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    <P>I'm using a southern game call right now. The geese seem to like it. I'm not sure of the exact name of the call but it is all wood.</P>
     
  8. Metaluno67

    Metaluno67 Active Member

    I don't thing the C&s is a tricky call. Easy to make goose sounds. Like anything practice and more practice. How did your flute call sound when you first got it.
     
  9. tripleb

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    <br><br>The Prophet is very easy to run.&nbsp; And, Mike can adjust the guts to require very little air to run the call, or leave them as original to be on the easy side of average in terms of difficulty.&nbsp; Or, you can have a different set of guts put in them, something which requires more air, but is louder.&nbsp; The short calls are the ones which can be tricky for a newbie to run because so much of the sound is controlled by very small movements of your hands and fingers.&nbsp; A newbie to short calls can be moving a finger 1/8 of an inch, changing the pitches of the notes with the movements, and not even realize why he can't make the same note twice in a row.<br>
     
  10. AvianHunter

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    They are all the same thing in a nutshell. Try as many out as you can and get the one that fits you best.&nbsp;<div>My guess is a GK will fit ya best though&nbsp;<img border="0" align="absmiddle" src="http://bowtest.websitetoolbox.com/images/boards/smilies/thumb.gif"></div>
     
  11. DeWayne

    DeWayne New Member Lifetime Supporter

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    </P><P>Chad is basically right.&nbsp; There is a guy in PA that makes short reed goose calls&nbsp;out of&nbsp;PVC pipe, and they sound damn good.&nbsp; It boils down to tuning.&nbsp; The differences in bore, length of endpiece, blah blah blah are something only the most accomplished callers can really appreciate.&nbsp; The truth is any call tuned to fit your air presentation within certain perameters, will&nbsp;become an old friend after a week of consistently running it multiple times a day.&nbsp; I will say that a more constricted endpiece&nbsp;provides built in back pressure which will make the call easier to break over for a novice.&nbsp; Open bored endpieces require more hand manipulation.&nbsp; For a decent hunting call, something that feels good in your hands and tuned for you is gonna be the best bet.</P>
     
  12. tripleb

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    <br><br>I will have to differ with you here, Chad.&nbsp; For an experienced caller, there may be very little difference.&nbsp; But, the little difference between the calls for you, as an experienced caller, can be major differences to the inexperienced caller.<br><br>An example:&nbsp; Remember that Bocote Prophet of mine you tried at the WBC a couple years ago?&nbsp; You commented on how light the call was.&nbsp; I had Mike tune it light for me when I bought it .... and it was just about right for me at the time.&nbsp; He didn't shave the reed, he actually took the time to change the angle on the tone board.<br><br>But, I gained air volume and strength in my diaphram by practice and using harder to run calls over the course of about 3 years.&nbsp; After running my Disciples for several months this past Fall, I picked up that Bocote Prophet and blew through it.&nbsp; I immediately thought:&nbsp; "My God, this call is way too easy to blow!"&nbsp; That's when I started to look for different guts to put in it and my other Prophets which had also been initially set up to be easy to blow.&nbsp; <br><br>Now, with the Edge guts, they're still easy for me to run, though they require more air to do so than before, but they're more compatible with the air I have now.&nbsp; Had I tried to use the Edge guts in them 3 years ago, it would have been hard for me to run the calls.<br>
     
  13. DeWayne

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    <P>Cliff, read my post above yours.&nbsp; Chad is right with respect to general call characteristics.&nbsp; You are pointing out the differences in the guts/reed/tuning.&nbsp; Think of it this way, you can put water through any garden hose, but the spray pattern depends on the nozzle at the end of the hose.</P>
     
  14. tripleb

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    <br><br>I just saw that.&nbsp; And, I agree with you from the technical standpoint.&nbsp; However, you have to consider the call guts and how they are set up, too. I have spent a lot time over the years trying to find a goose call that I could run well enough to justify practicing with it more than the 2 weeks just before the early goose season starts.&nbsp; The vast majority of them, either sounded like crap, or were too hard for me to run (I could make a few notes in succession, but quickly ran out of air).&nbsp; I liked the way the Grounds Supermag sounded, but couldn't run it.&nbsp; I found a delrin Winglock easier to blow, but just didn't care for the sound of the call. I found out this past Summer that I could put a set of Mike's call guts in the Supermag and it sounded just fine and was easy to run to boot.&nbsp; I put a set of Edge guts in the Winglock and it sounds great.<br><br>&nbsp;I think the majority of callers who aren't contest oriented are primarily interested in those two aspects ..... Does the call sound good? Can I run the call?&nbsp; I've had calls which could do one or the other in my hands, but not both.&nbsp; Then I stumbled across Mike and his calls.&nbsp; He could .... and more importantly ..... would ......&nbsp; set a call up so I could do both on the same call.&nbsp; <br><br>Most of the call buyers aren't going to change their call guts.&nbsp; Heck most of them can't even tune their own calls.&nbsp; That's why it can be important to buy from a maker who is willing and able to make the changes in his calls to accommodate your particular needs.&nbsp; calling4life didn't care for the guts Mike had in the Apostle he was interested in buying, so Mike let him try some clucker guts in the call, which suited calling4life better.&nbsp; However, if you buy from a mass producer of calls, you're going to get whatever gut system the call maker normally puts in the call, regardless of whether it suits you or not.&nbsp; And, if you are like most guys, you won't even consider the possibility that a change in guts might make the call run and sound better for you.<br>
     
  15. AvianHunter

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    All I'm saying is that I can tune any call to sound like any call you want.<div>One call however has thrown me for a complete loop. Saunders Atomic G is like no call I have ever blown before. If anybody has tried it out then you know what I'm talking about. It's the buzziest little thing I have ever heard. Can almost give ya tube call sounds....<i>almost</i>.</div><div>The Atomic G is not for the novice. Hell I still haven't decided if I am proficient enough with it to buy one but a friend sent me one to test drive because he loves it so much. It's cool, but it's learning to use your hands all over again. But it has the most unique sound I have ever heard from a short reed.</div><div>All the rest can be lumped together though IMO.<br><div><br></div></div>
     
  16. tripleb

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    <br><br>And, I don't have a major disagreement .......&nbsp; from a technical standpoint.&nbsp; I don't think you're going to make a call with a set of EZ Set guts, like Winglock and several other call makers use, sound like a call with a set of Edge Guts with the wide end of the E4 reed.&nbsp; But, you can switch guts and make the calls sound somewhat similar. Ultimately, it comes down to the internals and the call users ability to tune them and willingness to switch them out if dissatisfied.&nbsp; The experienced call driver, such as you and DeWayne, can do that and are willing to do that if you think there is some performance advantage to be gained.&nbsp; However, the average call buyer is going to stick with whatever tune job, and whatever gut system came with the call at time of purchase. He's not going to tune the call.&nbsp; He's not going to switch gut systems.<br>
     
  17. AvianHunter

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    <div><br></div><div>Agreed. That's why my best suggestion to all those looking is to try out as many calls as they can to see what fits them best. Better yet go to a call makers shop and let them tune them for you right there on the spot. Most can tell what tuning you or setup need by the sound and then you don't have to have the stage fright of blowing a call in front of a ton of other guys fearing you aren't up to par.</div>
     
  18. HONKEREXTREME

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    Whatever you do don't buy the atomic G, its a nasty little call but it def needs some experience behind it, I'm just trying to make mine cluck! LOL
     
  19. AvianHunter

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    <div><br></div><div>+1</div><div>For those that may be wondering what one is. This is it.</div><div>Under 3" long. Look how short the insert is!!!!!</div><div>http://www.billsaunderscalls.com/pages/productdisplay.asp?prod=60&amp;pt=call&amp;cat=Canada%20Goose%20Calls</div>
     
  20. DeWayne

    DeWayne New Member Lifetime Supporter

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    <P>Trevor has a call that looks a lot like that Atomic G...</P>